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03/13/2012 10:15 AM House ECON. DEV., TRADE & TOURISM


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10:28:29 AM Start
10:29:26 AM Presentation: South Denali Visitor's Center
11:07:42 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
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+ Presentation: South Denali Visitor's Center by TELECONFERENCED
Ben Ellis, Director, State Parks
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
 HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INTERNATIONAL                                                               
                       TRADE AND TOURISM                                                                                      
                         March 13, 2012                                                                                         
                           10:28 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bob Herron, Chair                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster                                                                                                      
Representative Wes Keller                                                                                                       
Representative Cathy Engstrom Munoz                                                                                             
Representative Berta Gardner                                                                                                    
Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kurt Olson, Vice Chair                                                                                           
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  SOUTH DENALI VISITOR'S CENTER                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BEN ELLIS, Director                                                                                                             
Division of Parks and Outdoor Recreation                                                                                        
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided a PowerPoint presentation                                                                       
entitled, "South Denali A Visitor Center on the Horizon," dated                                                                 
3/13/12.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:28:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BOB HERRON called the House Special Committee on Economic                                                               
Development, International Trade and Tourism meeting to order at                                                                
10:28 a.m.  Representatives Herron,  Tuck, Munoz, and Keller were                                                               
present  at  the  call  to order.    Representatives  Foster  and                                                               
Gardner arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:  SOUTH DENALI VISITOR'S CENTER                                                                                   
          PRESENTATION:  SOUTH DENALI VISITOR'S CENTER                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
10:29:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HERRON announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
a presentation on  the South Denali Visitor Center  by Ben Ellis,                                                               
Director, Division of Parks and Outdoor Recreation.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:29:37 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BEN ELLIS,  Director, Division of  Parks and  Outdoor Recreation,                                                               
Department  of Natural  Resources  (DNR),  provided a  PowerPoint                                                               
presentation  entitled, "South  Denali  A Visitor  Center on  the                                                               
Horizon," dated 3/13/12.   Mr. Ellis said this project  is one of                                                               
the  most exciting  of which  the Division  of Parks  and Outdoor                                                               
Recreation  (Alaska State  Parks) has  had  the lead,  and is  40                                                               
years in  the making.  There  have been over 200  public meetings                                                               
on  the  project, beginning  under  the  leadership of  the  U.S.                                                               
National Park  Service (NPS),  and now under  his division.   The                                                               
environmental impact  study (EIS)  on the  area was  completed in                                                               
2009,  and  an  interpretative  master  plan  has  been  created.                                                               
Although  the design  and pinpoint  location  are undecided,  the                                                               
"feel and intent" of the proposed  center has been captured.  Mr.                                                               
Ellis advised there  is a contract with the  University of Alaska                                                               
Anchorage   (UAA)  Center   for   Economic   Development  for   a                                                               
feasibility  study, an  economic impact  study, and  an operation                                                               
business  plan  for  the  project.     He  said  the  information                                                               
presented at this  time is accurate, but  still needs operations,                                                               
maintenance, and  staffing issues  to be well  defined.   Slide 1                                                               
was the  view from  the general location  of the  visitor center,                                                               
which will  be located within Denali  State Park, and has  a good                                                               
view of  Mt. McKinley from the  south side.  A  visitor center at                                                               
that  location would  relieve congestion  at the  Denali National                                                               
Park  and Preserve  Denali  Visitor  Center. Slide  3  was a  map                                                               
showing the  common border between  the Denali National  Park and                                                               
Preserve  and  Denali  State  Park.   The  area  surrounding  the                                                               
proposed  center  is  about  321,000  acres,  with  two  existing                                                               
recreational  developments:   Byers Lake  Campground, and  Kasugi                                                               
Ridge Trail.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:35:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ asked how to access the trailhead.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. ELLIS said access is at  Byers Lake and other trailheads.  He                                                               
listed  the experiences  now  available at  the  state park  year                                                               
around  including  public  use   cabins,  RVs,  camping,  hiking,                                                               
rafting,  snow  machines,   dog  sledding,  skiing,  snowshoeing,                                                               
mountain biking, and  winter biking.  The  visitor center project                                                               
is a  cooperative partnership between  the state,  the Matanuska-                                                               
Susitna  (Mat-Su) Borough,  NPS, and  private enterprise.     The                                                               
purposes of  the proposed visitor  center are:  share  the beauty                                                               
of the South Denali region;  provide a unique visitor experience;                                                               
enhance recreational  opportunities; and provide  educational and                                                               
interpretive activities.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:38:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ELLIS  displayed slide  11 which was  a map  showing existing                                                               
and  proposed trails,  and proposed  road access  to the  visitor                                                               
center.  It is envisioned that  visitors will use the trails as a                                                               
gateway  to  the  nearby  surrounding area  and  for  hiking  and                                                               
overnight backpacking in the wilderness.   Access from the George                                                               
Parks Highway will cross 130  acres of private property that will                                                               
be donated to  the state park for this purpose,  and will lead to                                                               
a transportation hub.  The intent  is for a shuttle system to run                                                               
from  the transportation  hub to  the visitor  center during  the                                                               
summer peak  season.  During  shoulder and off seasons,  the road                                                               
to  the   visitor  center  will   be  open  to  vehicles.     The                                                               
interpretative  master  plan seeks  to  have  the center  -  even                                                               
though on a  hill - somewhat hidden from the  Parks Highway.  The                                                               
concept  of  a  transportation  hub  is  to  avoid  just  putting                                                               
visitors  on a  bus.   For those  visitors on  a tour,  Mr. Ellis                                                               
estimated the  experience at the  visitor enter would  last about                                                               
two hours, and  for those who wish to hike,  the experience would                                                               
last up  to six hours.   There would  also be a  three-mile trail                                                               
from the transportation  hub for hiking or biking  to the center.                                                               
Slide 12 was  a concept site map of the  transportation hub which                                                               
indicated the location  of bus parking and  loading, car parking,                                                               
campgrounds,  a ranger  station, a  shuttle pickup  area, and  an                                                               
interactive  display.   The  project has  received  a $1  million                                                               
grant  from  Scenic  Byways, America's  Byways,  Federal  Highway                                                               
Administration,   U.S.   Department    of   Transportation,   for                                                               
interpretative purposes.  Mr. Ellis  advised that all of the park                                                               
ranger station and  maintenance facilities at Byers  Lake will be                                                               
moved to  this area.  Slide  13 indicated the total  project cost                                                               
of $36  million, not  including an  electrical grid  extension to                                                               
the Parks Highway.   He noted that the agencies  involved in this                                                               
project  agreed  not to  put  in  the  access road  without  full                                                               
funding for the project, thus the  first efforts are on the lower                                                               
section in a  "phased approach."  The estimated cost  of the road                                                               
to the visitor center is $4.5  million, and the estimated cost of                                                               
the visitor  center is $19  million.   At this time,  $13 million                                                               
has been  received through state appropriations  from the general                                                               
fund (GF) in the amounts of  $8.9 million in fiscal year 2009 (FY                                                               
09) and  $3 million in  FY 12, in  addition to $950,000  from the                                                               
Scenic Byways grant.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:48:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HERRON  asked whether  the GF funds  were requested  by the                                                               
governor or by the legislature.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ELLIS  said  the  requests  were from  the  governor.    The                                                               
remaining  funding  needed  is   $23  million  for  the  building                                                               
project.    Regarding  the  aforementioned  electrical  cost,  he                                                               
advised that  the facility requires three-phase  electrical power                                                               
or  diesel generators.   Matanuska  Electrical Association,  Inc.                                                               
(MEA) estimates an extension of  three-phase power to the visitor                                                               
center will cost  $6 million, and Princess  Tours will contribute                                                               
$1  million toward  its cost.    The extension  would provide  an                                                               
incentive   for  economic   development  along   the  surrounding                                                               
corridor.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:52:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HERRON  asked  for  the  amount  of  funding  the  project                                                               
partners should next pursue.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ELLIS  opined the next  funding needed  is for the  design of                                                               
the center  and the  road up to  it.  Slide  16 was  a conceptual                                                               
view of the 16,000 square feet  visitor center.  A portion of the                                                               
center is  planned to be  open for winter  use if possible.   The                                                               
exhibits will be state-of-the-art, but  he restated the intent is                                                               
to  encourage visitors  to go  outside.   Slide 20  indicated the                                                               
parameters  of the  feasibility/economic impact  studies used  by                                                               
the UAA  Center for  Economic Development  were the  following: a                                                               
composite   forecast  model   methodology;  baseline   visitation                                                               
projected at  230,600; and  forecast based  on visitor  counts at                                                               
four other parks.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:55:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HERRON asked for the  official comments on the project from                                                               
representatives of Princess Tours.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ELLIS  relayed  they  have been  very  supportive  and  have                                                               
participated in discussions  on visitor participation, commenting                                                               
that the center  would be an addition to their  tour package.  He                                                               
turned  to the  subject of  revenue, noting  the primary  revenue                                                               
would  be from  a $10  charge for  transportation from  the lower                                                               
transportation hub  to the visitor  center, however,  there would                                                               
be no entrance  fee.  Receipts from  campgrounds, tour operators,                                                               
food,  and bookstore  concessions are  projected at  $625,000 per                                                               
year.   In  response  to Representative  Gardner,  he said  there                                                               
would be  no fee for those  walking or biking to  the center, and                                                               
the fee for a  ride would be $10 per person.   A pass or discount                                                               
for  Alaska  residents visiting  any  of  the national  or  state                                                               
facilities in the Denali area is a possibility.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ELLIS continued  to operations  costs, saying  that facility                                                               
maintenance  is  estimated  at  $1  million  per  year  for  both                                                               
facilities, and staffing for 22  positions, including state, NPS,                                                               
Mat-Su Borough  employees, and  volunteer stipends,  is estimated                                                               
at  $491,000.   The  potential state  employees  will have  three                                                               
full-time  and five  seasonal positions.   National  Park Service                                                               
staff  may  be  moved  from  Talkeetna  to  the  proposed  center                                                               
location, but there  will be more discussion on this  matter.  He                                                               
stressed  that   the  estimates  are  for   the  entire  complex,                                                               
including campgrounds.   Utilities  and operations  are estimated                                                               
at $240,000.   Slide  23 indicated  that a  margin or  surplus of                                                               
$1.25 million  is projected for  the initial year, with  a margin                                                               
of $2.8 million  annually by 2023, based on  3 percent investment                                                               
growth  and  contingent upon  timing,  start  up, and  marketing.                                                               
There will be a margin because there will be no debt service.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:01:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ELLIS indicated  the overall economic impacts  of the project                                                               
are  measured by  the  projected expenditures  by  the state  and                                                               
federal governments  and private individuals, and  the multiplier                                                               
of  indirect   and  induced  spending.     The  impacts   of  the                                                               
construction and operations phases -  expenditures and new jobs -                                                               
will  affect   the  state,  the  region,   and  local  economies.                                                               
Construction,  beginning  with  the  construction  of  the  lower                                                               
access  road  -  this  summer  -  and  the  construction  of  the                                                               
transportation hub  - which  is currently  being designed  - will                                                               
spur  expenditures in  the amount  of $13  million annually,  and                                                               
will  create  230   new  jobs.       After  construction,  annual                                                               
operations  will spend  $1.9  million annually  and  fund 39  new                                                               
jobs.   Additional spending by visitors,  residents, and business                                                               
development after the center has  matured is expected to be $30.6                                                               
million annually and to support 600 new jobs.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:03:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HERRON asked  whether the  governor has  requested funding                                                               
for the project in this year's budget.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. ELLIS  said, "We're wanting to  make sure that our  number is                                                               
right."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HERRON  asked  if the  legislature  appropriated  funding,                                                               
whether the commissioner and the  governor would be supportive of                                                               
its inclusion in the current capital budget.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ELLIS  observed the commissioner  and the governor  have been                                                               
very  supportive of  the  project overall,  as  evidenced by  the                                                               
funding approved last  year.  However, there are  many options to                                                               
be weighed.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HERRON,  on behalf  of  Representative  Foster, asked  for                                                               
comments on the contributions of  Seal Lion Corporation (SLC) and                                                               
United Companies, Inc. (UCI).                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:05:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ELLIS  said they were  "fantastic."  His experience  with UCI                                                               
was  that it  has  been  very cooperative;  in  fact, the  access                                                               
provided by  UCI reduced  costs and increased  the safety  of the                                                               
grade of  the road by  several degrees.   In further  response to                                                               
Chair Herron, he said Representative  Neuman is in support of the                                                               
project.   At the conclusion  of the presentation, he  offered to                                                               
provide a breakdown of the funding needed.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER expressed  his support  for a  discount or                                                               
entrance pass for Alaskans.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ELLIS  added  that  the  transportation  shuttle  will  only                                                               
operate  in summer,  so there  will be  no cost  to drive  to the                                                               
center - when possible - during the shoulder season.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:07:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Economic Development,  International Trade                                                               
and Tourism meeting was adjourned at 11:08 a.m.                                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
EDT 3.13.12 - South Denali Visitor Center - Ben Ellis, Director, State Parks.pdf HEDT 3/13/2012 10:15:00 AM